tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post6291360655211319826..comments2023-10-06T08:52:51.137-04:00Comments on Holdem Notebook: what would you do? underboat on river vs. probably fishmatt taghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-80373090125990121372010-09-29T23:34:17.914-04:002010-09-29T23:34:17.914-04:00Matt- Glad you can take the criticism as construc...Matt- Glad you can take the criticism as constructive. I believe that is all of our intents. I want to point out that in this example of a hand, you have been dealt a hand that literally should play itself, particularly at this level. For a dueces full hand at 10NL, you should not worry about stacking off into a higher boat - you should be happy to get it in there & grin & bare it if he shows up with a funky better boat.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-34086465270121273442010-09-29T22:38:38.594-04:002010-09-29T22:38:38.594-04:00"Affording it" isn't the problem. I..."Affording it" isn't the problem. I could actually easily move up in stakes just based on the money sitting in the bank account I have that's dedicated to poker (I choose not to deposit it b/c I don't need it). I would gladly stack off if I felt like that was the correct thing to do. <br /><br />For example, tonight I stacked off with KQ on a QT9 board (TP, gutshot + backdoor FD). I was ahead of QJ and won a stack. I also stacked off with AcQc on a 2 club, all low board, and got called by a fish with an unimproved AK. I wasn't ahead, but I was close to a coinflip and had plenty of fold equity to make it a fine play.<br /><br />I will readily admit that putting villains on a range of hands is my primary challenge right now. I am working on it (although the range for THIS hand would be pretty hard to narrow down, dude was a 65/0 after 17 hands). I am making mistakes as I learn, but it's NOT because I'm playing scared.<br /><br />Thanks for the constructive advice.matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-999055018182574322010-09-29T14:11:21.995-04:002010-09-29T14:11:21.995-04:00my 2 cents. If you cant afford to stack off here w...my 2 cents. If you cant afford to stack off here with a boat, you should probably step down in stakes. <br />If you can't put a villian on a range, it is probably best to try to get max value. This really helps your win rate.Poker Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-55013268148525382382010-09-29T09:49:16.239-04:002010-09-29T09:49:16.239-04:00Personally, I feel like this you're trying to ...Personally, I feel like this you're trying to apply the Zeebo Theorem here.<br /><br />I understand that you have the lowest boat possible. However, you have to realize that your boat is completely hidden - there was no lead from you on the flop. It wasn't until the turn where you hit your draw (which turns out to be a bad card for you - well played BTW, flatting the turn, containing the pot). The river gives you the suckout, but what realistic combos can he show up with? Outside of A5, like you pointed out, there are plenty of diamond flush combos, 34 makes the obvious straight, trip 5's, etc. When you get 4bet, you should be shoving, not flatting. If you're wrong, oh well. But you let the donk off *VERY* easy here, where you should have inflicted max. pain.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-42916499783076378572010-09-29T03:14:25.222-04:002010-09-29T03:14:25.222-04:00Exactly what Poker Meister said. At 10NL if you...Exactly what Poker Meister said. At 10NL if you're thinking 2 levels above your making a mistake and giving up way too much.Forrest Gumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06314271152182792365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803565406050693453.post-58082793915123084382010-09-29T00:24:12.083-04:002010-09-29T00:24:12.083-04:00A little advice: I can't ever see a reason to...A little advice: I can't ever see a reason to fold a hidden boat like this, on this board, at 10nl. I understand your logic - and it is sound, without a doubt. However, there are simply so many hands that your opponent could feel make him the winner that you have beat.<br /><br />Perhaps its apathy, but if he has a better boat, so be it. You should be getting value from your boat. You missed out on full value here & gave donk a new life.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.com