Tuesday, October 5, 2010

slower pace, and hand analysis.

I have been enjoying the slower pace of my recent online ring game.

No Rush.
Full Table, no 6-max.

I play 2 tables maximum. I am spending my energies using my HUD and trying to target ranges. I feel like I'm getting better. I definitely need more study of the hand range chart - I want to be able to rattle off the top 3%, 5%, 8% of hands, all the way to 50%.

The little bit I do know has helped me make a few decisions. It's working. There is no need to play 1000 Rush hands where you see 80 flops and have no more than 12 hands on an opponent, when you can play 100 hands and have 100 hands of history/notes on a villain. You learn more playing fewer hands per day.

Play this hand along with me. I'm not going to reveal villain's cards at the end. Tell me if you agree with my logic, or if I stumbled along the way.

Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 players

BB: $3.00
UTG: $10.80
UTG+1: $11.78
MP: $1.60
MP2: $4.51
HJ: $17.61
CO: $12.31
Button: $8.95
SB: $10.51 (Hero)

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with (9 players)
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20
BB is a 35/6 after 17 hands. 1.0 aggression factor.

Flop: ($0.60) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40
Value bet with top pair. Lots of hands a 35 VPIP will come along with that are worse.

Turn: ($1.40) (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80
Betting this ace seems fishy to me. What hand did he call me on the flop that holds an ace? AK, A8, what else? I don't feel like many hands he could still be holding have an ace in them.

I have the added bonus that I'm chopping with all other kings now in case I was outkicked. If this player is truly a 35/6, chances are better that I was outkicking him if he holds a king. I decide to call this bet and check/call a reasonable river bet (will fold to a pot sized bet or bigger)

River: ($3.00) (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Showdown city, I'll take it.

The turn is obviously the key street here. Is my logic ok? Will this final pot be too big for second pair vs. a wide range? It seems a bit borderline on the surface, but vs. this particular player, it was ok.


The Poker Meister said...

"when you can play 100 hands and have 100 hands of history/notes on a villain. You learn more playing fewer hands per day."

Without even commenting on the hand I want to point out something: With standard full ring play, you can table select, whereas with Rush there is no table selection. I can select tables (which I do, BTW) where I have a lot of green notes and avoid tables where I have a lot of red or yellow notes. Easy peasy.

The Poker Meister said...

To comment on the hand in question:

From your description, you play this hand *SO* weak tight, afraid of your own shadow. BB has $3.00 effective, which is what you're playing for. If he's calling the SB steal and not RRing, then it is highly unlikely he has AK. A 35/6 has a likelihood he doesn't have an Ace either. Granted, you have a very small sample size, but let's assume that's his standard way of playing. I have no problem with your flop donk bet; you want to get his total $3 on this flop and betting is the only way you're going to achieve that goal. The flop is about as dry as they come, and if he has an 8, so be it. I have *NO* idea what he's floating you with here - if he is indeed floating the flop. On the turn, you check, but you get what you want - him to bet and represent the Ace - if that was your intent by checking the turn. I would submit that you're still ahead on the turn, and would probably have check / raised him all in.

If it is the off chance that he has a King, yes, you're right that you now stand to chop with any non-8, non-Ace King. Therefore, I shove the river, intending to hopefully push the villain off his "King," which will mostly be ineffective, causing him to look you up, but you're sorta freerolling his non-Ace, non-8 hand by shoving... the chance of him folding a chopped King is worth the increased rake that you'll pay.

Overall, I have no problem with the way you've played this hand, though I totally disagree with your reasoning behind it. For example, if you're checking the turn to induce a bluff bet and/or checking the riv to induce I have no problem. But your logic for doing so both times is off.

matt tag said...

I don't see the value of CRAI on turn or shoving river. Can worse hands call (non-eights/non-aces)? Can better hands fold? Certainly a less "weak tight" way to play, but what am I getting value from?

The Poker Meister said...

Take out what "I" think villain has. Let's go with your assumption that villain has a King - any non-Ace, non-8 King. Clearly, you're in a chop situation. When you know you're in a chop situation, you have nothing to lose by shoving. You have to gain half the pot that you would have split if it goes to showdown. If he folds, you win the whole pot.